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The problem is that anatomy and motion or flow or force--should be studied separately.
Anatomy is great--but it can be the thing that prevents you from drawing motion and bring stiffness to your drawing. If you want to capture motion--you should try to not be too tied to getting detailed anatomy. Of course, your first few sessions wont be great--but thats the point. You fail so that you can succeed later.
Just look at my 30sec drawings--I wasn't too worried about anatomy here.
https://imgur.com/a/v4WOHwS

And for comparison, here are my most recent 2min drawings. Here, because I set up some fundamentals with motion, I could get both motion and some anatomy in.
https://imgur.com/a/7V5d0up

2min drawings, 1min drawings, 30sec-- the point of the short drawings are to force you to draw the overall form.
Also, like the previous comment, sometimes its great to change focus and come back later. You can draw other things, do other things. Sometimes you need a break.

1st: general direction tips    
2nd: constructive feedback on the figure drawings you showed us (I have some drawings I drew on imgur to help visually
https://imgur.com/a/KXMbEFr

One tip is to do studies outside of figure studies. Get your fundamentals. Like drawing boxes, circles, and still-life. Drawing still-life is a great way of improving your fundamentals. That is what would help you with perspective. I also love to study figure skaters or dancers, or anything with motion to help me get that life--flow--motion in my drawings. With photos that have strong movement, it is much more easier/natural to get that when drawing.
Hope this helps!


Also, for the last drawing with the legs... The problem is with the right leg. Its actually not a problem with perspective. The inner line at the thigh is sloping downward--as if the force of the leg is going downward. When in reality, it should be sloping upward because of the force coming from the right leg being ontop of the left leg.
I actually REALLY like your last drawing--you did well focusing on the hand. It has a lot of life.
I think maybe your problem is that you are tackling drawing bodies as drawing separate parts--which is fine. However, that does not mean you should not take a look at the whole of the body.

Just like your last photo/4th photo.... your 3rd photo also has a problem with the right thigh although it is a small one this time. It IS a perspective problem for this drawing. Also, the neck lines should go more in the direction of the head. (reference my drawing)
There are many different ways you can draw the right leg (if there isnt a reference photo that I dont know about); but mainly... The right leg wouldn't be so small. Notice how mine is bigger? (in my opinion, it is STILL too small. But I wasn't really sure how I wanted to approach the right leg, so... eh)
And if there were to be such an extreme foreshortening on the right leg, the whole body should be affected by the extreme perspective. Boxes or still life in general are a great way to get a grasp on perspective

Did you have any reference when drawing these poses or were they self-made?

You are doing good so far! Just keep at it!
If there is one thing I want to give feedback on, is that 30sec and 1min isn't really necessary until later on. These are for when you want to get rid of stiffness in your drawing and want to force yourself to stop paying attention to details or anatomy.
Right now though, you should be focusing on anatomy or the fundamentals--so I don't think that 30sec or 1min sessions would be of much help for you, since they dont align with your focus.
(You didn't say exactly what you want focus on, so I'm guessing you just want to improve overall and maybe need help with direction.)
So if you want to do fast drawings, I recommend doing 2minute drawings--I personally love 2minutes, I think that it is underrated. You should try it out. Since with 5min, you seem to be able to do alot, I feel like 2min is a perfect balance for fast drawings.

Right now? You are doing everything perfectly. Now is just a time to keep drawing, like aunt herbert said. But we'll be here for when you do need feedback for something specific though. You should ask for feedback is when you feel stuck--or don't know what you are doing wrong. Or when you dont really know what direction you should take--like right now :)

It's hard to know how to critique on this without the original reference photo(s).
But I tried
Here:
https://imgur.com/a/q4z4hAJ

The best thing to do: Don't push yourself.
Take things slow. Don't feel disheartened if one day you draw, and the next, you can't draw.
You have a limit; remember that. And you will progressively get better; on one hand, its nice to know that things will get better, but on the other, it is painful to go through the long process of consistently drawing again.

It will take a long time, and you will hate it. But it will happen. So just hold on and eventually you will have something going on.
I'm speaking from experience. I was depressed and just had no energy to do anything. Including drawing. 
One day, I'd get myself to draw, but then for months after getting myself to draw, I wouldn't draw.

This went on, but eventually I got myself to draw a bit more progressively.
The one catch is that it took too painfully long, but it did happen. And I am still getting myself to draw more now.

But again, remember that it takes PAINFULLY long. So don't hate yourself for taking a long time to develop a habit of drawing or even get yourself to draw in the first place. It's normal.

The problem with perspective is you need to understand anatomy a little bit. No, you don't need to memorize muscle names. You need the general idea of joints and bones and body fat.
After you know how a box bends in perspective, you need to apply that knowledge to the body; and to do that you need a general idea of where things go.

Aunt Herbert is very right. But you can still use lines and curves to guide yourself; you just need to be able to bend, twist and adjust the guidelines to follow the body.
I've attached photos of example guidelines that could be drawn when drawing this pose down below. With some notes of perspective:
https://imgur.com/a/CXt4Gwg

I'm not sure my guidelines would help you because I don't know how much your understanding of 3d objects and the human body is :,)
But good luck anyways!

Also when I was a beginner I used youtube alot... When you have the basics youtube is great. When you can make steady lines, draw boxes, use good observation skills youtube isn't bad. Just use what inspires and motivates you! Yes, I agree that you should avoid things that are too complicated or hard, but drawing from inspiration is something you should definitely do; you don't have to avoid drawing things because its hard. From time to time, its good to challenge yourself. Its just important not to burn yourself out.

DON'T try croquis yet. You need to develop some basic skills first. Still life is good for studying. Draw boxes, lines, ect. Draw chairs, vases, flowers. Dont do anything complicated yet.
That's not to say you shouldn't draw people. In fact, do what you want! Just don't do 30sec figure drawings or whatever... Do things at a slow pace and don't rush yourself. Croquis is too much without having solid foundation first.
I recommend figure skaters or dancers for figure studies; you can really see the motion they have in their postures.

Tracing is also a way to learn. You can't trace and post that art as yours, but you can trace for purely learning purposes.
I used to copy a lot of things and follow youtube videos.
You do need to do basic exercises, like shading, perspective with boxes, line practice for steady lines....

One tip for lines: use your wrist for small lines and shoulder for long lines. With line practice you just make straight lines and elipses, often than not with your shoulders. Your shoulders move your whole arm and move your hand too. The reason you use your shoulders for longer lines is because your wrist will inevitably make a curved line. With shorter lines, its easier to avoid this issue of making curved lines.

Just learn what you can. And, most importantly, have fun! At your stage there are so many things you can learn its hard to specify!
Most importantly, go at a slow pace, as I already said. Don't burn yourself out!

I have no words to add to this conversation of concept.
Buuut.

This exercise is valid! I saw this method of looking at a reference and not looking at it for learning in some youtube videos. So other people do this, yes.

And I also draw real life people- the most difficult part is that people move, but I still somehow do it. (people move even when you ask them to stay still if you ask friends or family ;-;)

Of course, the not-looking exercise thing you can do multiple times for the same reference to see the differences, mistakes, and learn more about the reference overall.
I'd say this exercise would help look at the whole picture, the whole of your drawing instead of small parts and details of it, as well.

I can't really help you :,)
I did try to critique your work, but really, its perfect. The most I'm doing is nitpicking.
Also there was this one posture I really can't figure out without the reference photo you used.

Anyways, yeah. Just keep up the good work!

Critique:
https://imgur.com/a/j13hPiz

I did an in-depth critique... wrote a bunch of notes. On a canvas
Here it is:
https://imgur.com/a/nzobAUD
I did both this post and the one of your sketches-the one that was more popular

[img]https://imgur.com/a/nzobAUD[/img]
I did an in-depth critique... wrote a bunch of notes. On a canvas
Here it is:
https://imgur.com/a/nzobAUD

I did both this post and the foreshortening one you mentioned.

I think you are trying to focus on the details too much on a thirty second drawing. 
I can tell by the bumps in the contours and the muscles you are trying to show. In 30sec, you can only draw the pose, not the muscles or the tiny little details. 
Try making broader, longer lines. You don't need the details. What's important is catching the essence quickly.
Also, I agree with the previous post on drawing a bit small. Its hard to draw big in 30sec.

Otherwise, good luck on your art journey! :)

Also, if anyone wants a discord to join, there is a fairly active one I found.
Discord: https://discord.gg/6e9znEdmzr

There are drawing sessions of over an hour every saturday.

Other than that, I don't know any.
I made my own discord server though, if anyone wants to join
Discord: https://discord.gg/PZrEsMcD

Otherwise, I got nothing :,)