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September 15, 2018 12:04pm #2858Hello everyone, it's my first time posting on this forum. I'm an aspiring professional artist (mostly comics and illustrations) and I'm trying to improve my skills with some gesture drawing. The main problem I have with my finished drawings is that they feel stiff and unnatural to me, so I'm praticing gestures everyday to try and become more fluid and instinctive. Any feedback is deeply appreciated! =)
EDIT: I'll post the images in the thread below, but I'll keep the links here so you can quickly access all of them from the same place. :P
15-9-2015 Session
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September 15, 2018 6:19pm #2860Hi Mike,
This is also my first time using this forum :) I've been getting back to basics in my own work and gaining a better understanding of how strong depiction of gesture leads to more interesting and beleivable figures. Your figures are excellent - anatomically, proportions look correct and there's a clear understanding of underlying bone and muscle structure. In terms of gesture - you do nice work showing how the body parts flow into one another and where the main thrust of energy is going - the three figures on the second page are especially nice for this (the one with the woman arching back on the ground at the top). The only area that jumps out at me where I see improvement is that I'm not always seeing where the weight of the figure is that anchors them to the ground, making the overall pose less believable. For instance, first page, woman in C shape, last page, woman leg up, I don't really beleive that they're standing with their weight on the grounded foot.
Best,
Serena1September 15, 2018 10:31pm #2863Nice work. Accurate proportions and lines, you seem to be able to find the correct curves very quickly.
Regading the impression of stiffness: I'm getting the same feeling from your drawings than from academic illustrations.
Very realistic, but somehow missing a bit of a "spark of life".
That can be a direction for your drawings, and I can think of several comics authors who draw this way (Edgar P. Jacobs, Jean Giraud, ...).
If you want to get your drawings more flexible, what i would suggest is to try the 30s drawings: This way you can focus only on the main lines, the ones carrying movement.
I guess you need to go down to 30s, seeing the quality of what you draw in 2min!1September 16, 2018 2:26pm #2872Thanks for the feedback Serena and Love =D
I have the problem of "planting the feet right" sometimes, I'll try to be more effective at discharging the weight of the figure on the ground. I always had a very cartoonish style but I'm trying to get more realistic now, that doesn't help with my drawings feeling cold I guess XD
I used the "class" feature today for pratice, with 10 figures at 30 seconds and then progressively longer pauses. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I'm really slow and I can't really put down the whole figure with only 30 seconds =(. 1 Minute is the bare minimum I need to figure out the silhouette
16 - 9 - 2018 practice "Class mode".
September 16, 2018 3:02pm #2876Hey Mike!
Your gestures today look really good, I like them a lot!
Quote:I used the "class" feature today for pratice, with 10 figures at 30 seconds and then progressively longer pauses. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I'm really slow and I can't really put down the whole figure with only 30 seconds =(. 1 Minute is the bare minimum I need to figure out the silhouette
What happens if 30 seconds isn't enough?
I've been trying to pinpoint the reason your gestures look very fluid, but at the same time lack something. I'm wondering if it might be the necks? I can't help but feel that some of them are uncomfortably arched and contradicting the action line of the body sometimes. An example is the figure on the very bottom center at 5 minutes. There's a lot of good motion going on, but the neck feels stiff.1 1September 16, 2018 11:02pm #2880I would go even further and say: If a day comes when you CAN get an entire figure down in 30 seconds, switch to 10 or 5 second warm-up excercises. The purpose of the 30-seconders is to teach your brain to see the essence of the pose and force it to prioritize what's most important to communicating that feeling or movement. If you can draw a whole body, you have to make WAY fewer hard choices about what's "essential" or "core" :)
Back to your other drawings: I'm really enoying the way you've captured special patches of light on the figures by just circling them. It gives them a much more 3D appearance without the need for actual shading. I think I'm going to try doing more of that myself, now that your drawings have reminded me of it!1September 17, 2018 11:22am #2888Quote:I've been trying to pinpoint the reason your gestures look very fluid, but at the same time lack something. I'm wondering if it might be the necks? I can't help but feel that some of them are uncomfortably arched and contradicting the action line of the body sometimes. An example is the figure on the very bottom center at 5 minutes. There's a lot of good motion going on, but the neck feels stiff.
Quote:Back to your other drawings: I'm really enoying the way you've captured special patches of light on the figures by just circling them. It gives them a much more 3D appearance without the need for actual shading. I think I'm going to try doing more of that myself, now that your drawings have reminded me of it!
Today session, 17-9-2018. I tried to be more loose, especially with the 30 seconds ones, I still can't free myself from drawing contours, it's an habit deeply engraved in my brain XD.
September 17, 2018 7:34pm #2898Hi MikeKatar :)
It's looking good!
It looks like you do know what to do and I really like your line.
But I feel like the more you look at the reference your hand become stiff. There's something in your 2 min drawing which is more flowing.
I would recommend to search after the line of action and try to keep you free hand you might have when you do the 2 min drawings.
keep going :)1September 18, 2018 10:31am #2907I feel like the more you look at the reference your hand become stiff. There's something in your 2 min drawing which is more flowing.
Thanks Avibu! See, that's exactly what I'm talking about T_T When I refine my sketches and refine drawing they become sooooo stiff, it's really frustrating. I try to be loose and let the arm make the gesture, but then I lose something along the way and I can't really figure out how to fix that. And I've been practicing for years T_T
18-9-2018 class session
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September 19, 2018 11:34am #2930Moar practice. For the last one I cheated a bit and I stopped the timer, because I appreciated the subject quite a bit *cough*. It was more like 20 minutes XD
19-9-2018 class session.
September 19, 2018 4:55pm #2931Hi Mike, great work! I struggle with my figures becoming stiff as well and have talked to others on this site who struggle too. What has helped me is using a brush to do my inking with (you can get brush pens too if you don't want to deal with the mess), it keeps things looking fluid. I think part of it is the desire to make the image clean, and as a result I lose some of that great motion my figures have. With gestures there's less pressure to create a perfect image and you have less time to overwork the drawing. I think when we are more decisive and quick about creating lines the less stiff the image become. That's just my input on it anyway, hope it helps!2September 20, 2018 1:10pm #2947Thanks Madammallow =) I like brushes but they're kinda of a mess to use and require a lot of time and practice ^^" I'll try them this Inktober for sure (by the way is there a section for stuff like that here on the site?).
Today session 20-9-1028
September 20, 2018 7:41pm #2952September 21, 2018 11:34am #2963Quote:I'm loving watching these. I DO think you're making progress!
Today session 21-9-2018. Am I spamming too much? Should I post only every few days to avoid clogging the forum with my thread? I think a daily sketchbook would be great but I don't think this is the right forum section for it, right?
September 21, 2018 12:04pm #2964Quote:Thanks a lot =). Truth be told, I'm really frustrated with my skill level these days. When I draw from reference it seems like I finally got it, at last I understand how it works! Then I draw from imagination and it sucks XD.
You also need to keep in mind that the two key components to improval are time and practice. Practicing is necessary of course, but you also need to allow yourself to take your time doing so. You're also seeing your drawings every practice session, so it's harder to see your own progress. (Think of it like seeing a 2 year old child grow and age - if you see the child every day, you won't notice their growth until there's a sudden click in your head of recognition. But you also can't expect a 2 year old to age to age 5 in just a single year. The same is true for your progress and skills, you won't see growth in your work for a while, but when you do you also need to remember that there's only so much progress you can make in that period of time.)
Learning art takes time. It's different for everyone how much time it takes to reach certain milestones, but we don't ever really stop learning. So be kind to yourself and your progress - I compared your first post's drawing to your most recent one, and I can definitely see areas where you've learned a lot in a short amount of time. The small improvements you made matter just as much, even if they're hard for you to see. It's okay to recognize and appreciate them!
Quote:Today session 21-9-2018. Am I spamming too much? Should I post only every few days to avoid clogging the forum with my thread? I think a daily sketchbook would be great but I don't think this is the right forum section for it, right?
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