Forum posts by Kim

Okay, I maybe found something. Lemme see what I can do :)

That is very strange. I haven't uploaded any code changes to the tools (beyond adding images here and there) for several weeks. The holidays is not usually a great time for pushing patches.

I'll poke around and see if I can find anything.

The tutorial pulls randomly from the entire library of poses. It will be a different set of photos every time you run it, just as with any other drawing tool on the site. There are a relatively small number of wheelchair photos in our library compared to others; if you got more than one, it sounds like you had a strange bit of luck. Luckily, if one pose doesn't work for you, you can skip ahead until one does. Yes, a person standing exactly straight could have a stick shaped line of action.

You don't need to draw props or seats or indeed wheelchairs to complete the exercises involved in the tutorial.

Autn Herbert, you have hit the difficulty exactly on the head and described some of the things or at least similar things, to what I have considered to try and overcome it.

Thank you for the heads up!

Yes, there was talk of it in a recent news post: https://line-of-action.com/article/a-whole-new-drawing-tool-basic-shapes

This is what it said:

* The scenes & environment tool previously had some close-ups labeled as still-life. I will be removing all still life from scenes & environments, and refocus that tool exclusively on more macro spaces and landscapes (both natural and human-created.)
* Scenes & environments will soon become available to all, and no longer be a subscription-only feature.

"Fat isn't a part of human anatomy" is a new one to me.

How fat hangs, compresses, stretches, becomes rolls, adds volume and curve as a model twists and bends and exists is an area of study just like bone, muscle, skin and hair. None of these things exist alone, and to draw a convincing human, study of them all and their interactions is necessary.

If you are currently studying exclusively bone, there are actual skeleton references out there. Ditto muscle.

A pose can be exciting or "lame" regardless of the model's size. Doodlers+ can still hide specific poses they don't find satisfactory.

You're all very sweet and charitable in your reading of this post.

My view of this is strongly colored in that in the 15+ years I've been producing and running this site, I have only ever received requests to be able to hide 3 models: Olga (A fat woman), Alex (a fat man), and crytpidcosplayer (transgender and disabled). And inevitably, these requests expand from being able to hide a single model to the entire category that they belong to ("add an option to turn off plus sized models" & "only show real men and women"), sealing off any particular problem with that one particular model and betraying that this is just a type of person the writer does not wish to see. Interestingly, I have so far never received a request to show only fat models.

There have been many times that the tool was overbalanced toward one particular model. When we first added Javani, a very fit, conventionally handsome man, it was extremely common that when selecting to draw men, you would see him not just "every other image" but many times in a row. Not one call to hide Javani, ever. There weren't even an above average number of requests for adding more models, above the constant backgroud hum of artists always wanting more models. (There's a very comparable number of images of Alex and Javani, btw.)

I'm very happy, and committed, to continuing to steadily increase the numbers of models, which will gradually solve any model ratio complaints. But that's not how this was ultimately phrased, nor the request that I actually get regarding fat folks, except when people are trying to do a charitable reading of someone suggesting to hide fat people - or non-binary people.

If the concern is ratio, and just bringing things back into more what you view as balanced, Doodlers and above can snooze or remove images from the tool. Such a concern could be answered by clicking through the tool for a bit and snoozing the images you found less inspiring than others, until things settled into a more acceptable ratio, whatever that might mean to you, between the models.

If the concern is hiding a particular person or type of people with a single click, we don't have that option.

If what a person wants is more models with a wide array of body types, and they wish to urge me to be faster about adding them, it's easy to say that without also suggesting that we hide certain types of people.

There are many thousands of photos, and for each pose there may be multiple lines of actions that could be acceptable depending on if you were going for more realism or more cartooning, so we don't have such a feature. The images used in the tutorial are largely random from our bigger library, so we don't know which ones you saw. :)

• Kim edited this post on September 8, 2023 5:05pm.

I'm sorry you dislike seeing or drawing larger people, but I don't intend to enable excluding them any more than I would allow excluding people of color.

@Fislysandi - This is available for Doodler members and up! :) https://line-of-action.com/article/new-feature-review-images-at-the-end-of-a-session

I think I found it! Please let me know if you have any further problems :)

How strange! It's working for me in Chrome, but I'll go try Firefox. :)

It looks like it is now uploaded fine? This may have been a connection issue with amazon web services, which manages our user images.

Ooh, this could be a really interesting feature...