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Hi i d'ont know

Although I am not that proficient I try to give my two cents. Maybe an amateurs perspective is also helpfull to you.

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I try to avoid reference when I think the photo allready looks kind of goofy (I am a bit of a chicken)... Or I give myself the benefit of freedom/doubt.... Meaning when the original looks weird, I am fine when my drawing has the feeling of beeing weird as well...

2.

With that out if the way ... I had some time in the train so here are my thoughts and methodes/solutions...

If I cant' read a picture, I performe kind of a small study... drawing a "skeleton" (lines with connecting circles) and later map forms on to it...

So I (try to) imagine the dude without the shirt... Put that shirt in the drawing there at the end...

By using forms (triangles, cones, blocks..) I try to draw kind of a low-polygon model of the scene... When i believe I understand the scene/pose I try again, more relaxed and draw what I now believe is the flow and posture with relaxed lines ...

So it more or less works for me ... Not allways

Here my drawing....

https://imgur.com/a/YHfXZmG

My problem is often that I can't combine the more methodic approach with simple forms and carefull placement and the flow of line of action and drawing with clear confident lines...

Here it is in my opinion where the expirience and routine comes into place ... Thats why I often make multiple versions of the same image. To get it into my unconcious memory.

Hope that helped you in sone way.

Best regards

Pasta

• Pastabrother edited this post on April 13, 2024 8:20pm.

Thanks all of you for your feefback.

I was never very consistent in my lines and proportion quality ever. Till now I thougth that is normal... Not every drawing or line is accurate ... Also that the first 3 to 5 of the 30 second figures are only to wake up the reflexes and memories in my hand to warm up....

Also I did wanted to show some "failures" or very rough excercices because I think you can support my effort to improve better when you also see the entire or big picture of my efforts.

But your feedback got me thinking about that mindset a lot...

@ aunt It is also no chance that my sports drawings are more spot on. I do a lot of climbing, skiing and boarding... There I have a intuitiv feeling for the poses, movments and the force at work... So I can draw more what it is and less only what I see with my eyes.

I have much more trouble with ballet or dance poses... or some of the models here on the page... I can't feel there posture... or stance... It looks sometimes kind of staged for me... Meaning I dont know the movment behind it. I can't really connect very well with the anatomy or involved energy there.

So I set my goal, also here on line of action, to more accurately portrait the human body and study anatomy, do more "construction" of faces and figures methodical and systematicly, even though I don't like that very much. I hope that traines my hand, momories and flow more consistently.

@ polyvios Thanks for your link to stanchfield... wow I love that source... So much inspiration and great linework...

I will keep you posted. Best regards

Pasta

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Reposted it and I had to change the setting to public... don't know why it was only working for me.

Hope it works now.

Hi everybody

It is some time since I posted here in critique ...

I draw for some time now... I try to practice different things ... like figure drawing, line of action but also a lot of fast sketching when I am in the train, drinking coffee or when i am not tired in the night... mostly by hand ... sometimes with a wacom one.

I would love to have some general feedback how to proceed, what to do in the next months... this is a collection of some of my drawings, I did them in february or march 2024. I tried to choose different styles to show an accurate representation, so a little bit of everything. These are photos so they my not be perfectly aligned...

I am not an artist, so this is my hobby and my time is sadly rather limited and to have fun is my primary objective.

I would also appriciate specific things for individual drawings if you like, some general findings if you find commen cause failiures and also advise for a books, good online ressources and maybe what kind of courses to take to further improve. I hope I didn't took up to many nasty habbits. I didn't have much art education... only 20 years back when I was still in school.

Here the link... beware it is quite a lot ...

https://imgur.com/a/qJzu8yW

Thx for your feedback and support.

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Don't worry about the length of the text... it was an interesting read, thanks for sharing. I draw for fun as a hobby so my time is rather limited ... next to work, climbing, skiing and the workload in the household...

The tree drawing sounds interessting.. It will probably influence how a look at them in the next weeks to come.

I often draw in the train to killl some time... 1h ride to visit my brother or friends. The CSI bingo sounds fun... I allready know that one but still never applied it myself. I think I will give it a go besides figure drawing and free fun stuff and my ppp project.

What i did in the past was something I called reduction.... a draw a portrait or figure and then reduce as much as posible but still try to catch the essence or my feeling of the person, animal or object... I may have to try that one again, this was 3 years ago.. and a got a little better since then... but my progress is a slow burn... with some bumps and hickups on the way... sometime motivation, sometimes time-restrictions and also accidents... disiplin was sadly never my strong suit... I try do draw every day... but it is like with meditation... harder to do then it seems to be.

I will share some of my stuff at the end of march in the critique section to get some pointers from you for my next steps...

Thank you both for your feedback...

@Aunt thanks for your story about your expierience with the CAD program in the past ....

I have a WACOM drawing-tablet and I also draw with it digitaly. I also own real drawing programs (clip studio and others). Additionaly I create most of my drawings with artist pens, pencil or other tools...

So this strange passion with PPP is a small side project or a funny distraction of mine ... nevertheless i think I learned some things about space and form by doing it.

What draws me create things with PowerPoint sometime is exactly its limitations... I find it a fun and interesting challenge do not draw... but place the drawings ... like using stones and shaping stones ... this limit of the program forces me to use only simple geometric forms to construct the "drawing" ... this is something I struggle when i draw all free with my hands... so it is more about the process of creating something with this method ... and not really the resulting lock of it that counts for me in this pursuit...

Do you also have some odd practices like this?

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After some time I like to rejoin you more here on the forum.

In the last two years I startet to draw... or more "construct" drawings in MS-PowerPoint. This helped me to get a better understanding of shapes and was also a lot of fun to do...

It is more like playing around or making a puzzle for me. This strategy helped also to motivate me as an alternative way of drawing to keep my attention and interest alive.

I wanted to share this idea, practice and also get some feedback from you guys what you think about it.

For a better understanding some examples to view....

https://imgur.com/a/q7nS1VH

Looking forward for your feedback

Pastabrother

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Hi ... You asked about the hair... I think for me the biggest problem is the angle/perspective and hairline... and not the hair itself. Something feels off about it.

I think in a frontal view like this you would see much less hair at the forhead, you may reference with fotos for that. That gives the head an unclear or unrealistc look from above and the front at the same time.

Otherwise i think the style of the hair suites for your picture.

Hope that was usefull to you

Thank you all. I got a lot of feedback for this post and i can profit from all your expirience.

I noticed for myself that my lines are not that fluent. Interesstingly they flow much better when i draw from my Imagination only and not from a reference. It is maybe a trust issue.

Thanks for your ideas with the box/cube or for more line training ... I do that.

Pasta

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Thank you both for your feedback... It is very helpfull.

@ Darlin I dont mind the length... No need to appoligize. A really appriciate the in depth respond.

I want to add that I do a lot of smaller and faster sketching and drawing.

https://imgur.com/a/KnSuPN0

But in the end my goal is that these excercises should show in my more detailed drawings... So I posted more "finished" examples.

Never the less thanks for the link and suggestions... Also about the Power of the end of paper. I accept the challenge and put more drawings at the corner or draw a box and finish a drawing in these bounderies... to learn more to see beyond the paperline...

@ poly.... You absolutely got me there... I dont like skeleton drawing... I allways avoid them ... .... .... So you are right... It is absolutly the right moment to jump right into it...

In the end where one struggles the most... There is also the place to learn the most...

All the Best

Pasta

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Hey

My goal in the last months was to achive more fluid and alive drawings. I think I managed that to some extent. Here some examples ...

https://imgur.com/a/W6WgwCm

Can you give me some feedback where to still improve or if I should / I am ready to concentrate more on anatomy...

Thx

You favorite Pasta

• Pastabrother edited this post on March 17, 2022 10:46am.

Hi

I tried to incorporate the great advice and suggestions I got from you in the past in the last couple of weeks and would love to have your feedback about a figure study/series about climbing.

I made all of them in around 45 minutes in one go before I entered the climbinghall myself. I tried to capture the poses and energy of my hobby…

What do you think?

https://imgur.com/a/VPncGor

Thx a lot for your thoughts and impressions

Thanks for your advise. I will continue my classes here and mix it up with other things.

Also the videos helped with good inputs to loose up a bit and have some fun at the same time... (caricatures) thanks.

I made some funny small series out of it... Also to draw the same motive multiple times in short succession was quite helpfull so see the effects of small and subtile changes.

Hi

At the moment I rotate between different things (classes, longer drawings, different pens and styles, digital and paper ...)... as practice.

I do this mostly because it is much more fun for me to experiment and foul around.

Examples:

https://imgur.com/a/TThjDph

Although I think there is some progress in the quality of my drawings over time and I am more and more happy with the results, for me the joy of the process is very important and the main reason for drawing... Do you have some advice about staying focussed on one thing, technique or mixing different styles and excercises?

Is the some established middleground and do you have some suggestions for a usefull practice routine rotation?

Should I focus more on one thing or do you have any other advice.

Thx alot

• Pastabrother edited this post on December 17, 2021 9:24am. Reason: typo

Thank you for your Feedback, links and encouragement.

I started with some Training series with 2 minutes and 5 Minuten animal sketching and had a lot of fun. Some excamples...

https://imgur.com/a/pKBpFNt

I will gladely continue practising.