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Actually I took many of the things I did before in high regard. If anything is what I do now that makes me think I am stagnating. I do not have many other way to explain this, but before, I believed these kind of videos, they gave me the idea that if they succeeded also I can (including that talent makes you a professional without ever working on it and therefore does not exist), i then found out i committed a mistake. I wanted to be like the people that inspired me and the only way i could have gotten proof was to understand at what level they were at my age, until the difference in skill was too much evident and so...

Look, i don't want you to tell me how comparing myself to others isn't healthy and I already found that out by myself. I now know that I am not doing this for anyone else but me and maybe, I would get a little place under the sun while someone else might be in worse condition to begin their journey.

I might try to just do it without thinking and see what happens, i don't know what to say if even this does not work. But at the end... thanks

Uhhh... so i should try to use practice to produce adrenaline? I usually do not think the grind can be entertaining on its own. if I don't see that doing it is giving me visible improvement I genuinely gets asyier to me and just stop, 'cos I serve a deep hatred for wasted time. When I look back and see how much time had passed I cannot feel anything else but disappointment, also recommanded videos about people showing how much they improved in a year with just practice looking like night and day compared to me really do not help.

• Idon'tknow edited this post on January 31, 2024 1:55pm.

Hi, as said by the title I do not understand why isn't there a button that makes you collect the images you used as a reference, instead, i had to screenshot each and every image one at a time. from less than 10 is fine, but when it comes to more than 20, then THAT'S tedious. I do not understand why the references cannot copied and pasted where I am practicing.

thanks for the time i took from you to read this and goodbye :)

these are the new study practice I did, i spent 30 seconds for each one of these (sorta). so here they are.

these are the references

I did all of this without a plan and I don't think I learned a something from what I did.

• Idon'tknow edited this post on February 2, 2024 10:15pm. Reason: Link repair
• Idon'tknow edited this post on February 4, 2024 10:04am. Reason: Link repair again

Ok, but in what way I should loosen myself up? I am sorry if I sound confused, when I do this, they do not resemble the pose even a little bit. and also someone else that gave me an other suggestion as they drew the poses sorta like I did here but if you think I understood their suggestions poorely I understand, ' cause I tried asking them some questions yet they didn't answer me. Anyways, that's what they said.

https://imgur.com/a/tbEfw5o
I think your simplification of the body is excellent. How much mileage would you say you have in figure drawing? How long were these poses? I assumed they were 3-5 minute poses. Good job overall.
I dont have that many critiques overall for the figures you submitted but I will say you should be more aware of how line weight affects the gesture.

https://imgur.com/a/yzYcBQd

For example, On the gesture I provided above I feel like there is alot of confusion on where the poses weight is shifting which leads to it looking stiff. The way I found a way to exaggerate and find how to push the weight more was through intersecting points throughout the figure. Most of the figure is leaning down and the rest of the body follows along in reception. ( EX) shoulders, pevlis, and left leg. ) The torso and shoulders usually dictates much of where the weight of the pose will go. Before tackling a gesture, try to imagine what way the body would fall if you removed one of the legs. Would it fall to th right? the left? would is stay stationary? Deciphering these small details early on can lead to you having a succesful drawing that is able to envelop that sense of movement, which is the main goal with figure drawing.

https://imgur.com/a/Sv2WxY9

In the next drawing, I find the major issue to be a lack of line confidence, I can see alot of chicken scratch lines and lines that dont connect. It is really interesting because you were able to get it down perfectly with this drawing. ( https://imgur.com/a/6nJHWMX ) This drawing is objectively more appealing than the other because of your use of lines is vastly different. You used too many curves in one compared to the other which is why the body ends up looking balloony. ( EX : https://imgur.com/a/vEWehRe )

It is kinda hard to explain this over text but there are some great books that go over the issue with using too many straight lines and too many curves respectively.
One book I can recommend is FORCE : Mattesi and Micheal Hampton. They go over in depth alot of subjects regarding adding life to your figures. FORCE is more focused on gesture while Mattesi focuses on construction and building a critical eye for simplifiying the body.
- https://www.amazon.com/Force-Dynamic-Drawing-Animators-Second/dp/0240808452
- https://www.amazon.com/Figure-Drawing-Invention-Michael-Hampton/dp/0615272819

https://imgur.com/a/635gUPs

Many of the same issues are present in this drawing as the other one I mentioned with you using too many curves in the drawing. Drawing muscles and adding fat is hard. What I used to try to understand the pose better was through negative space. ( https://imgur.com/a/tj3VAEA ) I blocked in the areas around the figure instead to try to understand and decipher if I was getting closer to my goal. By adding in these blocks I can quickly tell if the size of the arms and body is proportionate without wasting time. For example, I used this method repeatedly on all the figures to tell if the spacing between the legs was too wide or not. Aswell as on the arm to tell the distane from the leg to the arm holding the stick.

Trying to learn how to draw the human body is extremely hard, we are all learning together at our own paces. I think you are going in the right direction. I would definitely reccomend getting those books or trying to ask for more critiques.

uhmmm, I just did the lessons here and just followed the suggestion to use as much as little lines as possible, but i can tell you, they are not different from when i first started. I just got new suggestions where i am supposed to follow the negative space, but the way they told me I do not understand and they still didn't answered me.

Anywys, what are some of these "techniques" that would make me draw feet better?

Good for you I should say, because not even with reference I understand what i am doing: if I devide the body in simpler shapes, the shapes fail to capture said part of the body and i do not know why, I tried learning from tracing other images and I didn't learn a thing about structure, it is something that makes me MAD.

One other question. Did others ever tell you to just practice in order to get better? To me it was just like telling me to do the same mistakes over and over again until my inexperience kinda moves out of the way. I am still doing it regardless because, it is my life now, and it is something i like doing regardless... but I can see I am not really improving at all. I know that in order to get better I should understand theory first, then use practice to apply what i got told. Are you feeling the same way I do?

Anyway, thanks a lot for your incredible advice, you gave me an answer and that's really valuable to me.

I... am not sure if I have it... I wanna know how can I convince my brain into seeing practice as a pleasent activity when I am already shifted into a new interest

sorry if i am answering you this late... I couldn't find time to read your in depth critique.

I know it's my fault for telling you this, I do not understand what you were telling me, so... should i understand the negative space in the image in order to represent the pose? How much should I consider or is it every inch of space around the subject in the image? Why in certain cases your correction has completely different negative space (in the case of this example the space between the legs is a trapezoid while the image was a triangle)? What should I do when the pose is completely stationary, because, of all the examples I didn't find any of the ones where the model is in a perfectly balanced or stable position, i only have one weird simble of the shape of a check near them and i do not know what do they mean (same example as before), and why is it that I should not draw the body with baloony segments because it is "too detailed" as shown here but in one of your examples you devided the segments of the arms and legs but with curved lines that intersect (https://imgur.com/a/yzYcBQd)... isn't that the same thing?

About the book recommendations, I do have only the Mattesi book but not the Hampton one, if what you said was true than it would explain why i can't understand this book as its approach to figure drawing is really cryptic and sentimental for me to understand what is trying to explain... it kinda looks like gibberish to me and I feel bad to not be good enough to understand it :(

I do have other books like the Force drawing book about anatomy, i have the same difficulties and also the one about animation from the late Richard Williams... they either are too personally specific for me to understand or they seem to be too artistically presentable rather than instructive to me. It might also be that I never had art books before and so no one ever taught me how I should read them or they need to be read differently to begin with.

Thanks a lot for going the extra mile and showing me better done examples... even tho I am still understanding the new advice i might learn from the illustrations you sent me in order to cure my technique.

• Idon'tknow edited this post on January 29, 2024 6:33pm.
• Idon'tknow edited this post on January 29, 2024 6:36pm.

yeah, i was doing the 250 boxes challenge all in the same file... I am still at 45 and, oh boy, my brain cannot make me do more than 5 boxes a day

Regarding the shapes, am I doing them well or do I need to learn them before doing gesture drawing?

Hi, Today i tried my very first class exercise on 3d shapes and oh boy how different it is from dynamic poses... without an action line is indeed way harder to draw even ONE shape in only 30 seconds, how is it even possible to draw up to five when they are put on the same image.

https://imgur.com/a/09aUCqf.

I also tried doing animals on this site, drawing them is... a different experience

I want to reveal something about myself. I am not only interessed in the art of drawing with lines, I am also learning the complex world of 3d Animation and 3D sculpting on blender. The problem is, my approach into getting better at something is really disorganized, I usually orbit towards the thing i am mostly interested in at the moment but in this case it seems my interests constanlty shift around too fast for me to learn enough, sometimes i straight up forget what I just learned... as an example I actually took a break from these site for a month because i was really into sculpting a character but i got stuck into sculpting head because i have no idea how to do it, now i shifted myself into drawing again and really... I did not became better at sculping in 3D, i got stuck at the same problem when i first started and I don't know... I sorta feel like i lost time.

Without digressing, the most common solution should be "why don't I teach myself some discipline?" only that it turns out that doing this made me lose motivation into "keeping the grind" because my mind just saw it as a chore. That is what I am searching for, I really want to see a way to convince my brain into shifting its interests less frequently (idk perhaps I suffer from ADHD or something) and to not consider what i am learning as an external obbligation.

I have returned and now I have done a new lesson, my applications regarding some sort of poses were ranging from simple shapes in silhouette to force lines. The time I spent in every each of these poses are done without ever stopping the watch (a problem I had before starting). I also tried to draw small sized poses because I know poor space organization is indeed a problem of mine.

https://imgur.com/a/sOtDDYq