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hey Polyvios Animation, thank you for your feedback and the resource tipps. you are right, next time i will warm up more, so my lines are more loose and organic.

have a nice day:)

hey wxnter, wow, it looks like you are on a real drawing streak:)
i can clearly see an improvement in your last portrait, it looks great!
i think you are especially good at drawing noses and you have a nice grasp of the 3 dimensional form of the nose. the same goes for the eyes: i like how you show the difference in form of the eye facing towards us and the eye facing away.
i think there are two main things you can still improve on:
1. check your proportions again. right now your chin area is longer than the nose or the forehead. unless it is intentional, i would make the chin shorter. and the head needs a little bit more volume on top and in the back.
2. i'm not sure about the crosshatching. in some areas it looks great, but in other areas you get a little bit sloppy and that quickly makes it look messy and more like texture than shadow. additionally the hatching is drawn very lightly. i think it would be good, to have more contrast between light and dark.

i did some drawings to make my points more clear:
https://imgur.com/a/R8NcfF5

All in all i think you are already doing the right thing: practicing a lot!:)
one can clearly see that you have a good understanding of drawing, so just keep going and the rest will fall in place automatically:)

have a nice day!

Hey Jerber, i really like your drawings:) I think they have a nice flow and looseness to them and one can tell, that you already know a lot about drawing the features of the face.

And i think you already have been given some great advice in this post.

I would agree with Ontevreden in that, you should give a little more attention to your construction. Right now i have the feeling, that you do your construction lines only because everybody is doing them and not so much to help you find your proportions, planes and angles.
For example: Your horizontal construction line is sometimes on eye level, sometimes below eye level and sometimes above.

Flamingogh had a great point regarding your features of the head. I too think, that you draw every single feature in a great way, but not so much as a great whole. I would suggest to don't just draw the face, but try to draw the whole head.

And lastly a minor point: be careful to have enough space left on the page, so you don't squeeze your drawing in the available spaces. Otherwise the space left on the paper will determine your proportions.

I admire, that you tried yourself at the 10 minute pose. that is a really hard pose to get and i think you where on the right track. and i am impressed, that you didn't give up and tried 3 times to get a grasp of that pose! (plus the cat is super funny! mow!)

i did some drawings to make my points more clear, i hope they help you:)

https://i.imgur.com/0x5dRsd.jpeg

And if you are looking for good reference sources:

You can look at most of Loomis (an awesome fashion illustrator from the 50ies) Books online for free here: http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

have a look at some youtube channels, i think proko https://www.youtube.com/@ProkoTV or david finch https://www.youtube.com/@DavidFinchartist would be great sources for you.

and lastly: if you want to practice drawing the head from different angles, it is great ot use a 3d model of a simplified head to start. you can find them on artstation https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GX3Ax1 or on sketchfab https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/planes-of-the-head-andrew-loomis-method-19424b7aa2fc4a4d8987efe4bdb62395

All in all i think you are already on the right track and just need some more practice:)
Keep on drawing and have a nice day!

Hey Bees Knees, you are right, that is really a tricky pose! But i think you did a good job so far:)

I think the main issues are the arm in the front and the angles of your planes are a little bit off.

I did some drawings on how i would approach this pose, i hope they help you:

https://imgur.com/a/xkzigM8

• moritzbludau edited this post on April 5, 2023 6:49am.

@Aunt Herbert: well, yes of course it is still manga.

i mean, you're right, one can and should change the proportions of the head to fit the needs of the drawing and if the proportions mihoy choose are intentional, i maybe wrong. they can ignore the first point i made and i would just recommend to focus on the width of the head, the volume of the back of skull and the parallelity of the brow, eye and mouth line.

but i still wouldn't define manga as a style that has to have big eyes. there are many styles of manga and even more sizes of eyes in.

even if you think of the stereotypical manga girl, the big eye size doesn't substract from the size of the forehead. the extra space of the eyes extent downwards, especially since the manga girl should look cute and beautiful and so leans towards child like proportions, which have a proportionally big forehead.

so you could have a cute looking manga head with big forehead and eyes and a small nose, mouth and chin, a super hero type manga head with small forehead and eyes, a normal sized nose and a large chin and everything in between you can imagine.

in mihoy's case, the head has a proportionally big nose, which i would associate with more of a goofy, lanky type. and since it is a fairly seriously looking young man, i don't think that was what they were going for. but as i said, i maybe wrong with this.

hmm, that didn't work

so, here you go

https://ibb.co/pjzB1n1

hey mihoy,

aunt herbert is right, your drawing is already really solid and i had to look twice to find any inconsistencies.

however, i think there are three main points you could improve on:

1. as long as it wasn't intentional, the proportions of the head aren't right. as you know from the loomis head, the face can be divided into thirds from top to bottom to indiocate the forehead, nose and mouth/chin region. of course this is for a idealized head and can be altered for children, superheroes and so on... with your picture i find the nose too long, the forehead to short and the chin seems right to me. oh, and since the nose is too long, your ear is to big as well.

2. the forehead is too wide. i have the feeling, if you would to look down on your head, it would be almost a square instead of an egg shape. the length to width ratio of a head seen from above is about 2 to 3.

3. the back of the skull needs more volume. this is a common one. it just needs practice till you get it right.

i had the same problem as no. 1, but instead of a too short forehead i drew a too short chin/mouth area. to get rid of this mistake, i would recommend to draw lots and lots featureless loomis heads just focussing on the proportions and that your parallel lines stay parallel, giving each head an honest feedback as soon as it's finished and implementing your feedback into the next head...

i did some sketches to illustrate my points, i hope it helps:)

hey brandon,

first of all: we've all been there! we've all been frustrated with our drawings and our progress at one point or another. plus, hands are super hard to draw und very complex. there just so many delicate, moving shapes, it can be very intimidating.

but it is the same for everybody, so, don't give up hope, you just have to power through!

i really like the face of the cat/dog person in the upper right corner of the last picture. i would say, that you are much more used to draw faces, than to draw hands and feet, right? your line seems more relaxed und you started the face with intend and a plan. and you also used contruction lines to find the eyeline und divide the head in it's symetrical left and right halfs.

so, i would recommend using the same approach for hands and feet:

first, learn about the basic forms and proportions of the hand, e.g. the palm can be treated as a box, the thumb protudes from a triangular base from the side, the fingers can be viewed as cylinders, the palm is as long as the middle finger and so on...

search for it on youtube ore google for a deeper look or get some books about it, if you can afford it. george bridgeman, andrew loomis, burne hogarth and gottfried bammes all have some great drawing books.

second i would slow waaaay down. in contrast to Polyvios Animations' recommandation, i wouldn't do many short scribbles, because the short time just puts more pressure on you and without some level of understanding, you may only amplify your mistakes. instead i would recommend intervalls of ten minutes or even more, so you have enough time of analysing what you are seeing und recognizing structures you learned in the first step.

third, that might just be a personal preference, but i would recommend to draw a little bit smaller, because i find it easier to stay on top of everything, shorter lines are easier to draw and you look at your drawing in its entirety at one glance. since the dog/cat people face is much smaller i would presume, that is your natural size to draw something.

i hope that helps. the most important thing is just to practice, practice, practice- you will get there eventually:)

Oh, i just saw your question was about the head in perspective, i thought you were talking about general perspective^^

In this case you should check out the instagram by mianewarcher. it's a great example how to approach the perspective of the human head.

For more information i would recommend two books: 'Drawing the human head' by Burne Hogarth and 'Drawing the head & hands' by Andrew Loomis.

There are also some great youtube tutorials. Check out the videos by Proko '